English grammar through Latin. English READING through Latin???
A couple of multi-lingual friends/acquaintances were telling me about how much easier it was for them to learn, or to teach their kids, to read in Spanish or French first, rather than English first. Since English's phonetic system is so much more complicated, they found that teaching their kids a more predictable and regular system first enabled them to grasp the whole concept of reading more readily. Then after that was mastered, they were able to adjust to the phonetic rules of written English without as much frustration.
My 6-1/2 year old is not reading yet. I finally realized I was pushing the instruction on her before she was developmentally ready, and I stopped formal schooling in January. She is showing more signs of readiness now and I intend to start again this fall.
I had marked Latin's Not So Tough off my list, for reasons I can't even remember now, but something brought it to my attention again recently. I saw that the first level is spent thoroughly learning the Latin alphabet and phonetic system. So, when thinking about what my friends had been saying about teaching kids how to read in English, the crazy thought popped into my head, what if I taught her to read in Latin first?
Possible Advantages are that it would enable her to master a simpler, more predictable set of phonograms. We could bypass the frustration she has felt at not being able to decode English words any more complicated than "cat", and she'd have a sense of accomplishment about decoding words in an exotic foreign language. (She IS very excited about learning Latin.) Such an intimate familiarity with Latin from an early age would obviously not only give her a strong foundation for serious Latin studies later on, but also do wonders for her mastery of English (vocabulary, grammar) as well.
Big Disadvantage: unlike my friends who are fluent in Spanish and French, WE ARE NOT FLUENT IN LATIN! So this would be a LOT of new information thrown at her at once. (That's actually a bit of an understatement, isn't it?)
I think most everyone here is of like mind regarding teaching English grammar by way of Latin. Could there also be advantages to teaching English reading through Latin? Or have I totally lost my mind?!? :-)
I've already changed my mind!
I already saw problems with this idea before I posted it, and now the more I think about it, the more I realize that would make things HARDER for her rather than easier!
Last fall, we used Spell to Write and Read, which is based on the Spaulding method. It appealed to me because it is very logically consistent compared to the phonics programs I was raised with. But it's also very complicated. It emphasizes encoding (spelling) using 70 phonograms and 29 spelling rules. It was a LOT of work for a child her age, and she just wasn't retaining anything. She'd remember long enough to do well on the spelling tests, and then all the information would be gone. It also doesn't really teach decoding/reading as such. It's more like, once they've learned to encode a certain number of words, the decoding will start to come naturally. But she was having such a hard time with the encoding that we never got to that (theoretical) point.
This program also takes up a LOT of time and is a LOT of effort on her part, and that was causing frustration and burn-out. Obviously I do NOT want her to be burned out by the ripe old age of six!!!! I think it would make an excellent spelling program for her later on. But right now, I wonder if she needs a simpler reading program, that we can lean in just a few minutes a day, so that she won't feel so overwhelmed and frustrated.
Any ideas?
I had a feeling you would say SWR :)
We have used SWR for spelling, and I LOVE it because it does teach spelling so logically. I know a lot of people swear by that program, but I can't imagine using it to teach reading. It just seems like it would be information overload.
As I said, I'm no expert here. I'm currently in the process of teaching my second son to read. For my oldest son, he already knew the sounds of all the letters, so we just used Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons.
My second son did NOT know all the sounds of the letters when we started, and he had difficulty with 100EZ at first, so we started with Phonics Pathways. That helped him with the sounds and blending, so we moved back to 100EZ and he's cruising right through it now.
What I don't like about Phonics Pathways: I think some of the word choices are just weird. The beginning words are simple C-V-C words, but my son was NOT familiar with them, which made it harder. We spent more time with him asking what's a lug, gig, sap, etc. So it was with a sigh of relief that I returned to 100EZ.
What I don't like about 100EZ: There are these goofy rhyming bits. We skip them. Many people hate all the symbols and say that they make the program more complicated than it needs to be. We haven't had any problems with that, but it's something to take into consideration. I had great success teaching my oldest son with this book, and my second son is, now, coming right along in it as well.
There's also The Ordinary Parent's Guide to Teaching Reading by Jessie Wise. I've been hearing good things about this book, but I haven't seen it myself. If I hadn't already had 100EZ and PP on the shelf, I probably would have tried this one. I would have switched to this if my son had continued to have problems with 100EZ because Phonics Pathways really drives me nuts. :}
HTH and that others will chime in with their experiences.
Thanks for this information!
You mentioned several programs that I was thinking about! I'm very grateful for your input on all of them. The marking system in 100 Easy Lessons did seem kind of weird to me, but everyone I've talked to said it was not a problem for them. Phonics Pathways appeals to me because it seems to contain some of the things that I like about SWR (logical spelling rules and such) but present them in a more kid-friendly format. I haven't looked into Ordinary Parents Guide yet, but I intend to. And I've also heard good things about Alpha-Phonics.
Thanks again! And anyone else reading this, PLEASE give me your input on early reading instruction as well! :-)
Jumping in here...
I remember OhElizabeth on the WTM boards said that her dd didn't remember any of the spelling words either, but she started over the next year (I think she started this in K and then you repeat A-? the next year too). Her dds reading just took off.
I used it to teach my older ds to read and I'm letting my younger ds develop more....he isn't ready to read either. He remembers some words that we've worked on but not all.
I haven't worried about the spelling part of it. The exposure to the letters/sounds is what will click for them.
Penny
Mom to J (9) & J (6)
Alpha-Phonics
I used Alpha-Phonics successfully with both of my daughters,(starting each at around age 5and 1/2 to 6) who are now 14 and 11. It is an easy program to use and I think they've got some supplements to it now that I will probablly add to the program when I use it with my son, who is going to be 5 soon. I was actually thinking of using 100e-z lessons this time, but had heard several years ago that if they already know the phonics sounds it goes easily, if not, then a bit harder. Well, I've still got my worn copy of AP in my "school closet" with the pencil marks from the days the girls used it. We also used the McGuffey's readers for practice, and did a bit of choral reading each week using the Psalms. We would either read them responsorially or antiphonally, which helped the young readers hear the correct pronunciation of words. Hope this helps-Kelly

I'm no expert, but...
I wouldn't try this, personally. I can see the point in a bilingual family, but... One of the big advantages your daughter has in learning to read in English is that she already knows the words you are asking her to read, which will make it easier for her to sound them out; she'll hear the sounds of a word with which she's familiar, which will help her recognize them.
May I ask what program(s) you've been using, and what kind of trouble she's having (remembering the phonograms, blending, etc.)? Maybe someone can offer suggestions.