Which reading program?

I am looking for opinions on the best reading/phonics program. With my first child I used Sing, Spell, Read and Write and he did quite well, but my second child did not do so well. Now I am preparing to start my third child in kindergarten and I want to try something new. I have been looking at the Phonics Museum program, but I have read conflicting reviews. I understand that not everyone will agree , but I really want to get the best program for my money.

Thank you all.

Michelle

Michelle...

I used Phonics Museum with my dd. We had fun with it, but I only used a fraction of the materials. Most of the readers went untouched and we didn't use the writing portion at all. (My dd learned to read very early, long before she had the small motor skills to write.) If I had to do it again, I would choose a very simple, stripped down, and much less expensive program without all the bells and whistles. I have also realized that I just can't use Christian curricula that don't reflect my own church's teachings, and Veritas Press represents a very different theological perspective. That's one of the reasons I like Memoria Press's Christian Studies materials so much; they are truly "mere Christian." I'd rather add in information than have to edit out things that run counter to my beliefs.

I'm sure other people will be able to share their positive reviews of phonics programs they've used. I'm not saying that Phonics Museum is an ineffective program, only that it was overkill for us and not always the best fit in terms of religious worldview.

-Drew

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"I wonder how far I shall carry any opinion with me when I plead for active effort to revive the general use of Latin?" - Hilaire Belloc
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Drew Campbell – Tue, 2008 – 06 – 10 16:32

Drew

Thank you for your help. I think that what caught my attention with the Phonics Museum was the art. They really have very little information on their website about what is included in the curriculum. I did not realize that the readers had such an obvious religious tone. After using Sing , Spell, Read and Write (which is a good program) I am looking for something without the "bells and whistles" as you said. I have also been looking at the American Language Series.
Well I have a couple of months to figure it out.

Mermoria Press does not have a reading program, does it?

By the way I have been reading the new Latin Centered and it is very helpful. Thank you.

Michelle

Michelle Foxworthy – Tue, 2008 – 06 – 10 20:58

Glad to be of help...

MP does not publish a phonics curriculum. Here's what the Highlands Latin School site says about what they use to teach reading:

Our primary resource for phonics instruction is the three-year SRA phonics series, supplemented with some techniques from Discover Intensive Phonics. Inaddition every family is provided with a copy of our Word Mastery Reader, a useful tool empowering parents and teachers to work individually with students in mastering phonics.

Kindergarten students read orally, practicing phonetic words, sight words, and simple sentences. Using the classic and much-loved 1st grade readers published by Houghton Mifflin in 1985, students develop into confident and fluent readers by the end of kindergarten.

-Drew

P.S. I'm glad you're enjoying the new book! :-)

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"I wonder how far I shall carry any opinion with me when I plead for active effort to revive the general use of Latin?" - Hilaire Belloc
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Drew Campbell – Tue, 2008 – 06 – 10 21:23

We're using Saxon Phonics

We're using Saxon Phonics with great success around here. Not cheap, but we're very happy with it.

If you're looking for something more stripped down, why not look at the Teach Your Child to Read In 100 Easy Lessons book. It is the SRA methodology in a convenient trade paperback available online or at your local bookstore. And you can find it used for dirt cheap.

clwcain – Tue, 2008 – 06 – 10 23:28

CLWCAIN

Thank you for your input. A lady in my homeschool group used the Saxon Phonics and really liked. I have not looked at it closely yet. Maybe I should know this, but what is the SRA method?

Michelle

Michelle Foxworthy – Wed, 2008 – 06 – 11 08:26

SRA method

I don't recall what the acronym is for, but SRA DISTAR was a method used to teach Phonics when my wife and I were in grammar school in the early 1980s. It's considered by many to be the best of the more recent methods, as the whole SRA method was extensively tested before it was rolled out to schools. It got a big boost from Nancy Reagan during her years as a literacy advocate while First Lady.

Here's the publisher's website: https://www.sraonline.com/

It was one of the few phonics-based methods to survive the late-1960s/early-1970s onslaught of "whole language" and other nonsense.

One of its strengths in the classroom setting, at least when I was a child, was that the phonics workbooks, the spelling books, and the creative writing component all worked in concert with the graded readers for an integrated Language Arts curriculum for K-4 or thereabouts.

Because of its reputation, and because many parents remember it fondly, the acronym still has some cache.

My wife wanted something with more structure and games than the 100EZ Lessons book offered after she looked at a library copy of it, so we went with Saxon. We've been very happy with Saxon Phonics K, and will be starting Saxon Phonics 1 around Labor Day.

We do have McGuffy & Catholic National readers around the house, loaners from friends and relatives, as well as the Bob Books (borrowed from the library) as supplemental reading material.

The Bob Books have proven very useful, as my oldest has a tendency to memorize the response or use the pictures in the readers that Saxon provides. The Bob Books allow us to check his actual reading skill.

We've found both of the "classic" readers to introduce letters in such a different sequence from the Saxon program as to not be very helpful at this time. They are their own phonics instruction method, but they require some solid knowledge and experience with teaching phonics to be very effective, IMHO.

HTH, and I'm happy to answer anymore questions you might have.

~Chris

clwcain – Thu, 2008 – 06 – 12 09:40

SWR

Michelle,

I highly recommend Spell to Write and Read by Wanda Sanseri, based on the Spalding phonogram method. We used SSRW, as you did, but we hit a brick wall. My daughter was so frustrated to learn the short vowels first, then the long, etc. when she figured out on her own that A has three sounds - not just a short vowel sound. Teaching her the phonograms up front helped her learn the system. With the phonograms (70) and rules, she has the tools to figure out the code. My children have done very well with SWR and I love how I can use it again and again with each child - - -and it includes all the language arts I need for preK-2nd or 3rd grade (when I'll add in Classical Writing). SWR includes handwriting, phonics/reading, spelling, and grammar all in one package. It takes a little start-up to read the manuals, understand how it works, etc., but there are some helpful websites and Yahoo group for support. Once you get started, it just goes . . .

http://www.swrtraining.com/id27.html
http://www.swrtraining.com/id23.html
http://www.swrtraining.com/id14.html

Start with some basic research and I think you'll see the difference between SWR and other programs that teach so many exceptions to English. With SWR, you'll see that in a list of 2000 words, there are truly only 17 words that are exceptions or rule-breakers that can't be explained by the phonograms. This system is so logical and helps teach language in a way that will empower and not frustrate your children!

Kristin

kincaidknight – Thu, 2008 – 06 – 12 12:18

Chris and Kristin

Chris,
Thank you for the immense amount of information. It has been very helpful.

Kristin,
Thank you also. I know that you said this is based on the Spalding method, and I have been looking at the Writing Road to Reading. Is that different from what you are talking about here?

Thank you both again.

Michelle

Michelle Foxworthy – Wed, 2008 – 06 – 18 21:14

phonics

Michelle, I have used 3 "no bells and whistles" reading programs: 100 Easy lessons, Ordinary Parents Guide to Teaching Reading, and Phonics Pathways. In my opinion, Phonics Pathways was by far the best. It is simple and strictly phonics and adds spelling rules in, it has sentences with those phonics or spelling rules for copying or dictating (as they get older), and it did not drive me crazy! 100 Easy Lessons got my son reading quickly, and he did okay with simple books, but he couldn't sound out bigger words. It didn't seem very systematic to me, the way it was taught. It was when I started him on Ordinary Parents Guide (only phonics, very systematic) that he really started gaining a lot in being able to read any big word he saw. There was a lot of exponential growth. But, the scripted nature of that book was a little annoying to me. Then I discovered Phonics Pathways, and oh boy! It is great. My second son used only that and he can sound out any big word he sees. I am now using it with my 3rd child. It also has word lists using the same sound (which I think is particularly helpful) -- like boat goat coat moat throat etc. Good Luck!
Tracie

Tracie Setzler – Fri, 2008 – 06 – 27 09:46

Michelle, I just purchased

Michelle,
I just purchased the Phonics Museum for my daughter who will be starting kindergarten in the Fall. I haven't actually started teaching it yet, but what I have seen really impresses me. For example, instead of a picture of an apple to illustrate "A," there is a famous painting of apples to illustrate "A." And there is a Degas Dancer for "D," etc. It's just beautiful! And the readers are about actual people or mythological characters, instead of made-up cartoons or boring Dick and Jane type readers. I just love them. And I appreciate that one of the first grade readers is about Martin Luther. I believe Time magazine named him the most influential man of the millenium, and yet no one can distinguish him from Martin Luther King Jr.! It is pricey, but remember that this is all your phonics and readers for 2 years--K and 1st grade.

Kathrine

Kathrine – Sun, 2008 – 06 – 22 09:20

SWR

Spell to Write and Read is by Wanda Sanseri, who studied under Spalding. I think SWR is more user-friendly and more complete. It has a more regular plan for daily/weekly work and includes phonics, reading, writing, spelling, and grammar all in one place. Her list of 2000 words through the college level takes into account Ayers, Spalding, and several other sources to put them in order - grouped by frequency of use, but also grouped by part of speech at times. You'd have to really look at her book to see the beauty of how it's written and how it's implemented. We had tried 100 Easy Lessons, Alphaphonics and Sing, Spell, Read, and Write, and my daughter was frustrated because she wasn't learning the code for reading. She was learning short vowel sounds and then long vowel sounds, etc. She was learning rule breakers. With SWR, you learn the 70 phonograms very quickly at the beginning and you quickly learn the rules of spelling. Together, your child will start to read quickly and accurately because he/she has the code to work with. In fact, out of 2000 words on the list, only 27 of them are "exceptions" that cannot be explained by the rules and the phonograms. That's amazing. I have two degrees in English and I've learned more about the language and spelling/phonics in the past year with this program than in all of my formal schooling. I cannot recommend this program enough. It's simply the most logical approach out there.

Kristin

kincaidknight – Fri, 2008 – 06 – 27 14:59

Thank you all

Thanks so much to all of you. You have been such a help. It's time to buy, so I am going to take all of this great information and hopefully make the right choice.

Michelle

Michelle Foxworthy – Mon, 2008 – 07 – 14 19:33